| Consider this. |
Tue, 22 April 2008 10:15  |
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I'm not going to ask anyone to sign something just because I agree with it, but I think if you are willing to fight for the country you should be allowed citizenship. The US offer it to anyone willing to join the army for more tan 3 years!
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Gurkha-soldiers/
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| Re: Consider this. |
Tue, 22 April 2008 12:40  |
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Totally agree........
Weird actually as we have had a very heated discussion in the office this morning about this subject!
Crystal xxx
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| Re: Consider this. |
Tue, 22 April 2008 17:31 |
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Agreed, signed, and now on the hit list for HM Government.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Tue, 22 April 2008 18:18 |
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Me too - but if the response is similar to that lots of other good petitions have received...  .
Good luck with it - it's a worthy cause.
lacewing.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Tue, 22 April 2008 21:20 |
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Pleased to sign.
Shame the goverment is not so keen to allow entry to those people who have actually contributed something.
Seems to be OK at letting in the scum of Eastern Europe.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Wed, 23 April 2008 10:28 |
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| Snapper wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 21:20 |
Seems to be OK at letting in the scum of Eastern Europe.
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I object to that statement - the 'scum' we tolerate in this country is primarily of the self-absorbed & utterly useless homegrown variety! Coming from Eastern Europe does not make you 'scum'.
If you garner your political insights from tabloid newspapers, please don't consider yourself well-informed!
Agree with the petition & have signed.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Wed, 23 April 2008 15:26 |
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fair enough Snapper - my comment about newspapers was made because they tend to blame 'the immigrant of the month' for everything, regardless of the facts.
Last week, for example, a report came out saying that immigration was not generally linked to higher crime. The headline in The Mail the following morning was along the lines of "immigrants do cause more crime!".
Glad to hear you don't believe their claptrap (and sorry for the flaming)! 
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| Re: Consider this. |
Wed, 23 April 2008 17:25 |
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fair enough Snapper - my comment about newspapers was made because they tend to blame 'the immigrant of the month' for everything, regardless of the facts.
Last week, for example, a report came out saying that immigration was not generally linked to higher crime. The headline in The Mail the following morning was along the lines of "immigrants do cause more crime!".
Glad to hear you don't believe their claptrap (and sorry for the flaming)
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I know, but its not a new thing. Blaming crime on immigrants has been going on since the Middle Ages. In those days, Jews were blamed for the Black Death which spread through Europe like wildfire. In the 1930s, the German Weirmacht Republic government blamed the Jews and immigrants for stealing all the wealth out of Germany and putting the native (read Aryan) population out of work and we all know and are familiar with what happened there. In this country, Oswald Mosley and Enoch Powell tried to convince us that the immigrant population were going to bring this country down. I see little evidence of that. A lot of them are very hard working and decent people in the same way as the natives are. Its just a few bad eggs which bring the rest a bad name.
Its easy to blame immigration and its also easy for a load of reports to come out, either blaming immigrants or not. The Mail, like so many newspapers in this country, doesn't know the half of it (and I mean that). They can only guess and most of the time their guesses are so wide of the mark, as to be ridiculous.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Wed, 23 April 2008 17:35 |
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Mich, I think you're being kind to them to say they guess, but even if you're right, journalism should be about reporting facts - not guesswork! Unfortunately, even the broadsheets (especially The Guardian) have got sloppy in regard to checking their facts.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
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The way I see it, the majority of immigrants who are involved in crime are being exploited by a few of their countrymen who arrived here first and managed to set up the illegal sex trade, the Gang-master system and various other criminal enterprises.
Who is at fault then ???
Obviously the people who should be controlling the entry of (Documented and Known) criminal types but don't. - Our wonderful government. The have been in power for over 11 years and they are STILL blaming the conservatives for all the things that are wrong with our country.
Do you see the Americans letting known murderers and / or rapists enter their country ? They wouldn't even allow pop stars with drug convictions in - and quite right too.
Even when criminals are caught and imprisoned, they complete their reduced (50%) sentences then disappear into the underworld to re-offend.
I'm not against immigrants at all but a recent survey revealed that 62% of the indigenous population don't feel at home in their own country. That is scandalous.
There are areas of London (my capital city) where I would not dare go because I know I would be at serious risk of assault and or death because I don't belong there.
No one should feel uncomfortable in their own country - basic human right is that.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Thu, 24 April 2008 13:03 |
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| Snapper wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
The way I see it, the majority of immigrants who are involved in crime are being exploited by a few of their countrymen who arrived here first and managed to set up the illegal sex trade, the Gang-master system and various other criminal enterprises. Who is at fault then ???
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And by their punters (including English) who don't care that the girls are being forced to ply that trade.
| Snapper wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
Obviously the people who should be controlling the entry of (Documented and Known) criminal types but don't. - Our wonderful government. The have been in power for over 11 years and they are STILL blaming the conservatives for all the things that are wrong with our country.
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This gets said a lot. Yes they do, and no the shouldn't (for some things) but that is what politicians of both sides do these days. We need to make politicians more accountable! The ancient Greeks had it right - exile the least effective politicians.
Also, bear in mind that Thatcherism changed the politico-economic landscape of this country in quite a long term way, so the Tories are partially responsible for some of the ills of this country.
Also bear in mind that the Tories would not have done any different in some areas (Iraq, for example).
| Snapper wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
The way I see it, the majority of immigrants who are involved in crime are being exploited by a few of their countrymen who arrived here first and managed to set up the illegal sex trade, the Gang-master system and various other criminal enterprises.
Do you see the Americans letting known murderers and / or rapists enter their country ? They wouldn't even allow pop stars with drug convictions in - and quite right too.
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No, but they do kidnap 'suspected terrorists' and imprison them for years with no legal representation, no hope of a fair
trial & no shame! They don't even have the bottle to keep them in their own country - they use land taken from their
'arch-enemy', Cuba, so as to distance themselves from their actions in people's minds (IMHO).
They also have a far more violent culture than ours, and stiffer sentences which seem to do no good at all.
| Snapper wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
Even when criminals are caught and imprisoned, they complete their reduced (50%) sentences then disappear into the underworld to re-offend.
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Yes, we need to find an alternative solution to prison, which clearly fails to work in many cases.
| Snapper wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
I'm not against immigrants at all but a recent survey revealed that 62% of the indigenous population don't feel at home in their own country. That is scandalous.
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Yes, but consider our meddling with the rest of the world, during the years of Empire and after. The world changes, people have to deal with it. That said, I do have some sympathy with your point here - unfortunately I don't have the answer.
| Snapper wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:43 |
There are areas of London (my capital city) where I would not dare go because I know I would be at serious risk of assault and or death because I don't belong there.
No one should feel uncomfortable in their own country - basic human right is that.
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Again I think that problem is due to indigenous criminality as much as imported. It is also a 'law and order' issue, rather than an immigration issue (IMO). If we had an effective police force that focused its powers on tackling these problem areas then we'd all feel safer. Instead, they waste their time standing around railway stations randomly picking people to search for bombs. Don't get me wrong - I take the terrorist threat seriously, but that just aint working smart...
Perhaps the police force needs a Gurkha unit... they'd reduce street crime I fancy! 
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| Re: Consider this. |
Fri, 25 April 2008 01:42 |
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| Snapper wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 00:00 |
Well, that's me told then.
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It's just the way I see things - I could be wrong.
| Snapper wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 00:00 |
Incidentally, having served with the Gurkha's, I don't know if you would be so keen on how they would reduce street crime. Could be a bit messy for some more sensitive souls.
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So they'd bring a strong 'deterrent' factor with them? Even better 
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| Re: Consider this. |
Fri, 25 April 2008 04:02 |
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I don't know if you would be so keen on how they would reduce street crime. Could be a bit messy for some more sensitive souls
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Yep, they have these funny boomerang shaped knives dont they? Much more effective than a boomerang though. 
It worked in New York when Crocodile Dundee said, "Knife, that's not a knife, this is a knife."
So it might work in the UK.  
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| Re: Consider this. |
Mon, 28 April 2008 12:38 |
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Yes JeffM and they are used for removing heads.
Might not go down too well with the politicians or some of the more sensitive members of the population.
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| Re: Consider this. |
Tue, 29 April 2008 02:58 |
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It does have the potential to decrease unemployment.
Some one has to clean up the footpath. 
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| Re: Consider this. |
Tue, 29 April 2008 15:17 |
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Now that's what I call positive thinking.
Man after me own heart (Mind you, I expect to attract some seriously negative comments for being a Philistine)
Ah well, shit happens
L8er.
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